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| johnny139 |
The Top 5 Characters that SHOULD have been in Brawl.Now, I love Brawl. A lot. It's a fantastic game. Roster-wise, it's great. Initially I was skepitcal, but now that I've actually played, I couldn't be happier. Well, actually, I could. In fact, that's what this thread is about! I'll be counting down the five characters that SHOULD have been in Brawl, and had BETTER be in SSB4! I'll try and update once a day. But first... NUMBER FIVE!5) - MEWTWO 
Find someone cooler. I dare you. Go on! Do it! Pokemon is a MASSIVE series. MASSIVE. Probably bigger than Zelda, though still under Mario. Currently, it has seven movesets... SEVEN. That's seven times as many as F-Zero! But, though it has a bunch of heroes, there's one thing it's lacking... a bad guy. I know, I know, Mewtwo isn't technically a VILLAIN, but he's the closest thing to a Final Boss that Red and Blue had. Not to mention the fact he was IN THE GAME! Ganondorf and Bowser as the head honchos of Subspace is something I can believe. One is magical, one is strong, but it's lacking that pure brilliance that is Mewtwo. Ganondorf dissecting Mr. Game & Watch and finding out that his insides are a powerful weapon? Nah. MEWTWO dissecting Mr. Game & Watch? That's more like it! However, Pokemon has, again SEVEN reps. SEVEN. So Mewtwo ranks down at a lowly #5... it's a shame Lucario's in. Maybe I could have put a much better Pokemon up higher on the list. 
Badass, isn't it? I'd look a lot better with Mewtwo, though. MOVESET Generally, Mewtwo would play the same way that he did in Melee. However, to make him actually USEFUL, there needs to be some changes. First of all, he should be stronger, faster, and all around better at kicking ass. He should be fast and furious, with good hits to knock the opponent around. Remember the Pokemon Movies? He flung a rhino made of solid rock across the room without even breaking a sweat. That's the kind of thing I'd want! His A moves are fine, but his B moves would need a few changes... B - Shadow Ball It should be rapid-fire for some opportunities, and chargable for when a heavy shot is needed. B> - Confuse Ray Mewtwo's confusion (the one that caused a shield-break-like effect) attack in Melee was AWESOME. But it didn't work from afar. In order to keep it... not... broken, you would need to shorten the downtime it causes, and make it shoot in a straight line. But locking down opponents should be Mewtwo's specialty. B^ - Teleport Perfect as is... MAYBE make the reach a tad larger, but otherwise perfect. Bv - Reflect Think Fox's Reflector + Zelda's Nayru's Love. Immediately reflects all attacks (physical or ranged), damages those nearby, but doesn't stick around for long, and has a lot of startup lag. Oh, and he doesn't have a Final Smash, either. Let's make one up. Final Smash - Psychic Mewtwo pauses and holds his head for a few seconds. All opponents take MASSIVE damage - the closer you are to Mewtwo, the more damage dealt. If you're right next to him, 100%. If you're at the other side of the Bridge of Eldin, 20%. For Brawl, it may never have been. So until SSB4 is released and we hope to see you among its ranks... goodnight, sweet prince. 
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| Dartheyegouger |
I don't think any characters should have been removed... | ||||||
| AzureOcean |
Word. I loved Mewtwo. I think it sucks that they pulled him at the last second because Lucario was more popular at the moment. 
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| MetaNite |
Pichu should have. What was point of that piece of **** ? It was exactly the same as Pikachu only it damaged itself and had a little black on its ears. #4 Geno ...skip a few... #1 Ridley |
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| Heroic Monkey |
I agree that Mewtwo should have been in Brawl. He's the only character I wanted in. Otherwise, the roster is absolutely 100% perfect to me. | ||||||
| Lord Pyre |
I'd rather have Mewtwo than Lucario, but wouldn't have minded both. I hope he comes back in the next one...
Tingle better not be #1. K. Rool, Krystal, and Ridley should be high, though. |
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| Dartheyegouger |
Who's list is this? 
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| Heroic Monkey |
K. Rool would have been a great character to have. Ridley probably would have been the size of Charizard if he was in...I'm not sure if that would be awkward or not. Krystal would have been fine too. As for Tingle...  . I've never been able to take him seriously. Maybe he would be fine if he had a silly moveset.
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| Bloody the Marro Stinger |
I really, really wanted Mewtwo in. Prehaps there will be Downloadable Content for SSBB? Then we can pray he's in one of those. | ||||||
| AzureOcean |
I thought they said no about DLC.
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| DarkWolf |
I'm still really upset they didn't finish Mewtwo for Brawl!! >.< We all miss you, Mewtwo! We hope you come back. T_T | ||||||
| johnny139 |
...ba dum...
...ba dum... ...ba dum... ...ba dum... Here's... NUMBER FOUR! 4) - TINGLE 
Not as glamourous as Spider-Man's origin... but it gets the job done. Wait a minute? Tingle? In fourth? ON JOHNNY'S LIST!? Who are you and what have you done with our messiah!? I know that's what you're thinking. But as much as I love Tingle, he's not THAT major. However, the niche he would fill IS. Let's look at the Zelda roster. Link, Zelda, and Sheik, all with a unique moveset; Ganondorf and Toon Link, both with (mostly) clones movesets. Compare this to Mario and its spinoffs - with seven unique characters - and Pokemon - with, again, seven unique characters. Clearly our favorite sword-swinging epic has been shafted. While Tingle would not guarantee a cloneless moveset, he's the most major character with a chance to be completely unique. His popularity in Japan, as evidenced by the picture beneath this paragraph, speaks for itself. With two games of his own, and more appearances than Ganon himself in the main series, there's no real reason to exclude him. And the fact he was put in as an Assist Trophy proves just how close he was to a coveted spot in the roster... however, the fact he, like everyone else, has a chance to be cloned, and the Zelda series DOES have four characters more than most series, puts him in a fitting fourth - right next to the "Big Three." 
When a company thinks putting an elderly man in green latex will BOOST sales... MOVESET While Tingle COULD be a clone (maybe one of Toon Zelda, with Rupee Magic... or something...), odds are, he'd be completely unique. While he hasn't shown off too many combat skills in his time in the sun, it's still more than, say, Captain Falcon has. With some tweaking, methinks he could fit in perfectly. Stat-wise, he's be light and slow-moving, but able to rack up damage quickly with aerial moves. Tingle would almost be a Jigglypuff-style character; easy to beat up on the ground, but untouchable in mid-air. His general persona would be gleeful... almost like he's beating the crap out of you ACCIDENTALLY. A Moves would involve slaps, kicks, and headbutts, along with a good dose of confetti. Toss in some killer, magical smashes, and you'd have a great character. B - Rupee Throw Tingle shoots out a single Rupee in the vein of PK Fire or Sheik's Needles, but with minor knockback. Chargeable; the longer you hold down B, the more the Rupee is worth, and the more damage done. (Green-Blue-Yellow-Red-Purple-Orange-Silver-Gold) B> - Scuffle Like in Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland, Tingle dives forward and grabs someone. A comical dust cloud appears (like in cartoons), and if you spin the control stick, more damage is dealt. After the dust clears, the opponent will be on the ground and unable to get up for a short while, and Tingle will clean his hands. Bv - Tingle Bomb A VERY useful move in The Wind Waker. There, he'd drop a bomb wherever you'd like. Here, he pulls out a big bomb (like, the size of an Electrode) and tosses it forward. REALLY strong, but hard to hit people with, because it takes a while to throw. B^ - Tingle Balloon Tingle inflates a balloon, giving him a slight boost in height and allowing him to float for a short while, similar to Peach. Chargeable, the longer you hold down B, the higher you'll climb in the initial boost. If Tingle Bomb or Rupee Throw is performed, they'll be dropped instead of thrown, and Rupees turn into Force Gems, which similarly increase in power. Final Smash - Jackpot. Tingle does his signature dance, and Rupees of various worth rain from the sky, dealing a bunch of damage to all enemies. Occationally, Tingle Bombs will fall, too, causing an explosion twice the size of a regular attack. And just for the heck of it... Up Taunt - Tingle throws confetti once with both hands, then spins around, all while singing "Tingle, Tingle, Kooloo-Limpah!" Side Taunt - Tingle looks quickly from side to side and scribbles on a piece of paper, making a map of the surrounding area. Down Taunt - Tingle inflates a balloon, but it fills too much and pops, giving him a look of great surprise. |
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| MadNik |
Ha, awsome. He would definately rock in the land of Brawl.
I'm guessing Soul Calibur's Naightmare is on this list? jk |
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| DarkWolf |
Wow that's awesome. I love the taunts lol. This makes Tingle seem like a much much better character in Brawl than you'd expect!! Now it makes me want him to be in SSB4! Heh, as long as it's very similar to what you made up. | ||||||
| MetaNite |
People seem to be expecting another smash bros. Sakurai said he wasn't going to make anymore, unless forced too and I doubt we can speculate it now. It was 7 years after Melee for Brawl, and with the Wii's popularity now, if we ever see a SSB4 it probably won't be for another decade.
Off that subject... I really would not mind Tingle, if only some more worthy characters got first dibs. If Ridley, Geno, Knuckles, Mewtwo, Roy were in, then Tingle would be welcomed. |
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| Bloody the Marro Stinger |
Re: The Top 5 Characters that SHOULD have been in Brawl.
As for this, I've thought about this and have got some ideas: General: First off, he shouldn't be a heavy character but be actually easier to K.O. just because he floats. Mewtwo's heavier than that. In addition, he needs to be faster. Mewtwo is one of the faster Pokemon, and it should show. Now, for his B moves: B - Shadow Ball: It's fine as it is except for one thing, in my eyes. The stupid recoil hurts and doesn't make sense. Shouldn't a master Psychic Pokemon not be knocked back by his own move? The recoil should be removed. B-Side - Psychic: I never really got why he got Confusion. No one ever used Confusion in the games with Mewtwo, and he didn't even use it in the Anime if I'm correct. Psychic makes more sense. Basically, this is a conical attack that does more damage the FARTHER away the opponent is from Mewtwo (think of a hurricane, where Mewtwo is the "eye of the storm"). It does 3% every hit and can go from doing a measly one hit to 7 hits, doing 21% damage max. Only the last hit that hits someone has knockback. It basically looks like 7 purple waves, and the waves dissapear starting with the one closest to Mewtwo. The range is medium. If the opponent is hit by the closest, however, the opponent gets dazed, which will give you an opportunity to use Focus Punch. Up-B - Teleport: He never really used it in the games, but yeah, this is fine. I can't think of anything else that goes here, anyway. Down-B - Focus Punch: Yes, it may seem odd that I'm suggesting a Fighting move for his Down-B, but still - anything to replace that stupid Disable move. Anyways, he goes into a meditative stance for 5 seconds and cannot do anything (even cancel this move). If he is not hit within those five seconds, time freezes and he teleports near the closest enemy and does a massive punch infused with psychic energy. This move, as per the Pokemon games, does more damage than all of his other attacks except for the Final Smash, racking up about 40% with massive knockback. You can only really use this after the opponent is immobilized for some reason, as you have to wait 5 seconds. Final Smash: Mewtwo teleports to the middle of the stage and sends out about 10 homing psychic blasts that do 20% each. They are homing and pass through walls, but if the opponent manages to avoid them until Mewtwo returns to normal, the balls dissapear when Mewtwo returns to normal, making him safe. |
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| johnny139 |
Super Smash Bros. Brawl sold over a MILLION copies in the first WEEK. A MILLION. Just because Sakurai doesn't want to make any more doesn't mean they won't make more... he left Kirby, too, after Air Ride in 2003, but they've released three games since then, with another two (as far as we know) in development. So, yeah, I expect SSB4 within the first two years of the Yuu or whatever the next console is. |
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| MadNik |
the Yuu. I thought it was going to be called the Uss.
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| MetaNite |
Yuu? What the? Well, I think the Wii will still last pretty long which will take SSBB even longer to die. I'm not going to expect anything unless the new console can hold enough memory for another Smash Bros. I just talked my parents into getting the Wii, a Yuu or Uss will be out of the question. |
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| johnny139 |
3) - SAMURAI GOROH
Close... so very close... if only Sakurai were a more merciful dictator... Look at the original ten francises. Mario and Pokemon had friends from the start... Zelda got three... Starfox and Kirby got two... Donkey Kong and Mother got one... even Metroid got Zero Suit Samus! Ignoring Yoshi, since he's just a Mario spinoff anyways, Captain Falcon is the only core francise who hasn't gotten a buddy (err... other character). Poor Falcon.
It's not as if F-Zero has a lack of characters to draw from. F-Zero GX, it's most recent console outing, had a total of 41(!) different racers, from princesses to superheroes to arms dealers. However, when looking at potential players, there's not reason to glance past the original four - Captain Falcon, Dr. Stewart, Pico, and out hero's eternal rival, Samurai Goroh. While he, like Falcon, has never been seen out of the cockpit for extended periods of time, that shouldn't hamper his moveset possibilities. Not only is he a bounty hunter, Goroh is (if you couldn't tell by the name) a freakin' SAMURAI. SAMURAI! Putting him on the sidelines is inexcusible. Unlike the previous two choices, I can't imagine any reason NOT to include another F-Zero character. Too many swords? I don't give a damn. SAMURAI BOUNTY HUNTER FROM OUTER SPACE!!! There's a reason he's SUPER KICKASS CAPTAIN FALCON'S rival! So why does he only rank in third? You'll see soon enough... 
...it's hard to find good pictures of him. MOVESET Goroh is a tricky one. If you can't tell by his physique, he would obviously be a heavyweight. But Samurai are usually fast, right? So what do we do with him, fast and weak, or slow and strong? It's a tough choice for many, but in my opinion, why choose at all? Both! His running speed would be painfully slow. But his attack speed... LIGHTNING. The Fire Stingray (his machine) has an A in Body and a B in Grip, making it strong and easy to use, but a D in Boost, giving him a handicap speed-wise and a slow starter. This should be reflected in his moveset. A Moves would be quick, nearly Meta Knight-like, allowing him to rack up the damage. His B Moves would be the opposite, big and clunkly like his machine, but if they're excuted right, BAM! B - Goroh Slash Falcon Punch with a sword. Long overhead charge with a MASSIVE downswing, dealing massive damage and knockback to whoever you can hit with it, if anyone at all, as it's slower than the Falcon Punch. Also, fire! B> - Final Slash Ever play Kirby Super Star's "Samurai Kirby" minigame? It showcases a classic in Samurai Movies... the quick-draw. Both warriors stare eachother down and dash forward, faster than light, drawing their swords in the process. The one whose blade was flashed first wins... the other... dies. In short, it's Ike's B>, only a lot more start-up lag and an effect similar (but a LITTLE weaker than) the Lyn Assist. His main K.O. move. B^ - Helicopter Blade Goroh spins his sword around like a helicopter, giving him slight lift and dealing a multi-hit to whoever is above him. It's suckish, but that's another handicap of his. Also, fire, again! Bv - Flame Trail FWOOSH! Goroh should be the fire guy... hell, it's his trademark! FIRE Stingray! Meh. Anyways, he stabs his sword into the ground and flame shoot out of the ground in a row before him, slowly growing larger, the final dealing a lot of knockback. If someone is caught in the startup stab, they'll be pulled along the path and rocketed into the air. Final Smash - The Goroh Gang Strikes! Goroh shouts for his men to come, and two F-Zero machines similar to his (but with different paintjobs) rocket across the screen in an "X" formation, pulling whoever the catch into the middle of the X. During this process two of Goroh's Men (which you can see HERE) come out and slash quickly at the people caught in the middle for a short qhile. Goroh stands beneath this preparing to strike, and once his men are finished, he leaps up and does a near automatic K.O. to those in the center, similar to a vertical version of his B>. That Final Smash probably didn't come out very clearly... oh well. It looked really cool in my head. |
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| MetaNite |
I wanted him... | ||||||
| MadNik |
I've had Brawl since the minute it was released, and I still haven't gotten his assist trophy. Anyways, yeah, I agree that F-Zero needs more rep. | ||||||
| Creationist |
How many F-Zero games were there? If there was only one, then I don't agree. One is enough for a one hit wonder | ||||||
| johnny139 |
There have TECHNICALLY been eleven F-Zero games so far, but discounting ports, alternate versions, and so on, six different installments. |
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| Creationist |
wow, I only have heard of the SNES one | ||||||
| johnny139 |
F-Zero, F-Zero BS (an upgrade), F-Zero (Virtual Console), F-Zero X, F-Zero X Expansion Pack (another upgrade), F-Zero X (Virtual Console), F-Zero AX/GX (one arcades, one Gamecube), and two or three GBA ones that suck. |
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| Lord Pyre |
I wanted Black Shadow in, with Ganon's moveset, then give Ganon a new moveset that uses his sword/trident a bit, along with his fist-magic. | ||||||
| MetaNite |
Black Shadow started the false rumors that Batman was in Brawl... |
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| Lord Pyre |
Yeah I think I heard about that.... 
I also heard many rumors about Spider-man, but I ignored them all. Who would even think they're in..? |
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| AzureOcean |
I never played or heard of most of these franchises before Melee.
It's funny. I never heard of Zelda, F-Zero, Earthbound, or Kirby before it. 
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| Lord Pyre |
I knew those from 64; I didn't know Fire Emblem until Melee, though. It turned out to be my favorite series...
Mother is second, probably. It's simply amazing. |
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| johnny139 |
2) - ANIMAL CROSSER
The face of a true warrior! Animal Crosser? In second? Are you mad, man? Yes, I am, but for entirely different reasons. Once Smashville was confirmed, most of us didn't wonder "Would Animal Crossing get a rep?" Most of us wondered "What will Animal Crossing's rep be?" A fake article about the Animal Crossing Character being confirmed was spread around... and no one second guessed it. It seemed THAT likely. So the final roster was leaked, and I'm sure I wasn' the only who was surprised by the fact there was no Animal Crosser in the mix! Smash Bros. has always been a blend of the old and new. Ness and Lucas, Marth and Ike, Jigglypuff and Lucario... but most of the "new" characters are from long-standing series, such as Fire Emblem or Mother. Olimar is the sole representative of a new game SERIES, not just a new GAME. Animal Crosser would usurp that role. While Pikmin was released at Gamecube launch, alongside Melee, Animal Crossing wasn't released until some time AFTER, evidenced by the various trophies found in the game. Yeah, there was Animal Forest in Japan for the N64... but we can just ignore that, for sake of argument.
He's new, he's popular, and he has the right equipment for the job. So why wasn't he included? Let's here it straight from the man himself... "...does not seem plausable to fight." 
SURE Sakurai. If you can make an old 80s toy work, you can make a popular character with a satchel full of stuff work. He damn well better be in next time around... 
Alternate costume anybody? MOVESET I picture Animal Crosser as a "high-roller" of sorts... high risk, high reward. But first, a cool little feature they could have included/could include... if you have Animal Crossing, you can choose from your characters as costume choices! It would be awesome. ANYWAYS! What I mean by high risk, high reward is that attacks can either A) have a bunch of extra "oomph" or B) fail miserably. His stats would be similar to Mario's, though a tad slower, and a tad heavier. A moves consist primarily of punches, kicks, and utilization of his (MASSIVE!) head. Smash Attacks For smashes, I would use Axe as his Side Smash. He swings the axe, doing a TON of damage, but virtually no knockback. To play into his playstyle, it would have a slim, 2% chance of being a Golden Axe, which deals somewhere around 70% damage, and a slightly higher chance of pulling out his Net, which does 1%, deals no knockback, and leaves you open for a short while with a dumb look on your face. His Up Smash would open a parasol above him, dealing massive knockback but no real damage. It would occationally be inside-out which, like the net, does nothing. Same thing for his Down Smash, but instead, he thrusts the parasol forward and down, then opens it. B - Slingshot Chargeable. Animal Crosser takes out a slingshot and fires one shot forward. There's a slim it will be Golden, shoot really, REALLY fast, and explode on contact. There's also a chance nothing will fire at all, and Animal Crosser will be left vulnerable. B> - Item Throw Animal Crosser flings a leaf forward, which, after a second, turns into an item of some sort. It can range from a piece of stationary, which does nothing, to a big-screen TV, which does MASSIVE damage. Some item, such as chairs, will shatter on impact with an enemy or the ground, while some, such as couches, will remain on the ground and can be carried, like Wario's bike. B^ - Fishing Rod It's a fishing rod... and a B^... can you guess what it does? It's, of course, a tether recovery. Sometimes it'll cast nothing, and you'll DIE, and sometimes it'll be Golden, and have infinite reach. Bv - Dig Up Animal Crosser digs into the ground and finds something - a fossil, a gyroid, a bag of money, etc - and carries it around. Pretty much all items that can be thrown... occasionally, he'll find nothing and be distressed, have a Golden Shovel and dig up a HUGE bag of money, or a bee's hive (WTF!?!), which causes bees to chase him around and do damage, similar to a flower. They can be passed around like a Gooey Bomb. Final Smash - Tree of Life Animal Crosser plants a tree wherever he's standing. Within a few seconds a tree grows, which varies in size depending on the stage. You can hit it, and items will fall out, from regular items, to edible fruit, to bee's nests (GOD DAMN!), to stuff from Animal Crosser's moves. The tree will eventually wilt and fall over, but it can be toppled if attacked enough. |
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| Dartheyegouger |
Very good Animal Crosser, Johnny! I like how all his moves are item-based. I think the shovel should be used in the down-smash though. | ||||||
| MetaNite |
That's pretty good, but don't count your eggs before you buy the chickens... | ||||||
| MadNik |
Alright, number one time!
I'm calling Tetris Block! |
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| AzureOcean |
My money's on Ridley or Ne-Gok-Sa! |
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| Lord Pyre |
Masahiro Sakurai. | ||||||
| Heroic Monkey |
These are my five characters that should have been in:
1) Dr. Mario 2) Dr. Mario without the stethoscope 3) Dr. Mario with fireballs instead of pills 4) Dr. Mario with a slightly longer mustache 5) Mario with a Dr. Mario costume I bet Johnny's #1 will be a Jinjo or Frosty the Snowman. |
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| johnny139 |
1) - ANOTHER METROID REP!
Eight. EIGHT OPTIONS. Come on Sakurai... PICK ONE!!! Toon Link. Diddy Kong and Wario. Meta Knight and King Dedede. What are all of these things? New characters added to old series. Mario, Zelda, Kirby, and Pokemon, some of Nintendo's biggest francises got new characters. So did smaller series, like Starfox and Mother. So what did Metroid get? A transformation. The Metroid series is one of Nintendo's biggest. Besides Mario Galaxy and Brawl itself, Metroid Prime 3 is the game Nintendo was banking on. And over the years, the series has had a bunch of bosses, enemies, and rivals. Ridley is the first that came to the mind of most fans - but others, such as Dark Samus and the Hunters from Metroid Prime: Hunters, were popular ideas as well. And since this is Numero Uno, I'll go into detail with all of them. RIDLEY 
The scourge of the Galactic Federation... and Samus Aran. The year is 20XX. The place is Earth Colony K-2L. A horde of Space Pirates, led by the viscious Ridley, attacks... leaving all but a three-year-old girl dead. This girl's name? Samus. Many think Ridley is just a recurring boss. He's not. The connection between Samus and Ridley is closer than the connection between Mario and Bowser, or Link and Ganon. If it weren't for Ridley's attack, Samus as we know her would not exist. If it weren't for his hatred of Samus, Ridley would have died long ago. Most arguments against his inclusion are "lol2big" or "emtroidsux" and such. They're terrible arguments... though, admittantly, after his role as a boss in SSE, shrinking him down WOULD feel out of place. Sadly, it seems Sakurai has decided that Ridley just doesn't have a place in the roster. It's a damn shame. I mean, come on... Samus vs. Ridley. It's the matchup of the century! See for yourself their tragic meeting on a world under seige... by the way, they read left-to-right (as it's from Japan), and the "even though we look different" thing is from an encounter with a Chozo earlier in the story. 
...if you'd like to read the whole thing, you can do so HERE. DARK SAMUS 
The Dark Hunter... has not yet arrived. At the end of Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime, the final boss, was defeated, and Samus left the planet. But if you beat the game 100%... you see a brief image of a hand, reaching from the puddles of Phazon which the great beast inhabited. This hand... was Dark Samus. In Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Dark Samus, who is Metroid Prime in a new form, took center stage in the spread of Phazon and was worked into the Light/Dark theme. In Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, she took control of the Space Pirates, but was eventually defeated. 
The epic showdown on a dying world! Dark Samus is, of course, an evil doppelganger of regular Samus. But if you think that means she'd just be a clone... take a glance at Wario. She could be VERY unique, as she's floaty in the same vein as Mewtwo, and would have Phazon-based attacks, similar to Lucario's Aura and Ganondorf's Darkness. While she could certainly share moves with Samus, her playstyle would be COMPLETELY different. And though it is true that the Prime subseries was unpopular in Japan... come on. DARK SAMUS. She's the titular character, and they need to throw America a bone. But, sadly, much like Ridley... it seems Sakurai has already decided against her. The description on her trophy says that she's identical to Samus. Another possible character down the drain... THE HUNTERS 
Six different characters. Not too many choices MIRITE? If you ask me, and I'm sure this opinion isn't shared by many, Metroid Prime: Hunters sucked ass. But what DIDN'T suck ass was the characters it introduced. Weavel, the Pirate with a vendetta. Trace, the sniping warlord. Noxus, the frigid alien. Kanden, the experiment gone wrong. Sylux, the mysterious theif and terrorist. Spire, the last of his kind. Now, do any of those sound like they'd be LAME ideas? No. No, they don't. If Metroid Prime was unpopular in Japan, Metroid Prime: Hunters was bargain bin within a week of release. But still. There's six, humanoid characters with wide possibilities for movesets... it's easier to put them in than ANYONE else. I mean, none of them have any real STORY... well... except for one of them. SYLUX 
Samus's next rival!? He may not look impressive, but he may be a major character before next-gen! Unlike most of the Hunters in Metroid Prime: Hunters (man, I've been using that word WAY too much...), Sylux isn't there for the weapon at stake. He has a personal vendetta against the Galactic Federation and Samus by association. Why? We don't know. All we know is that his suit and weapon are Federation Tech, and he's a wanted fugitive. His race, true look, and even his real name is a mystery. But the real question is... does he deserve a spot in Smash Bros? I mean, he's just been in that one game, right? You're wrong... maybe. 
This is the mysterious ship seen at the end of Metroid Prime 3, chasing after Samus. If you have Metroid Prime: Hunters, look around for his ship, the Delano 7... are they the same? Decide for yourself. But if Sylux truely is a part of the next chapter in Metroid history, then he better be in the next chapter of Super Smash Bros! ...but I digress. Ridley, Dark Samus, Sylux, hell, I'd take KRAID at this point. Just give us another Metroid character to play as. I think it's deserved it. (P.S. - Yes, having eight characters tie for first is a cop out, and no, I'm not doing movesets for any of them, as it would make the others feel left out. Fictional charcters have feelings, too.) |
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| Lord Pyre |
Pretty good read, there. I would've had a few different ones, but all in all, pretty good! 
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| Bloody the Marro Stinger |
I think it could be possible for Ridley to be a playable character in a future game or download for Brawl if he was reconstructed in some way. I mean, come on. I haven't played that many Metroid games, but I do know how many times he reconstructed himself. And that is a lot.
Edit: Or, if he didn't reconstruct himself or do something similar, he always found some way to survive against pretty much every single odd out there. It is still pretty similar. |
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| MetaNite |
Sylux would probably play better than Ridley since he's more humanoid but Ridley would be more thematic and make more sense. Sylux is awesome no doubt. I haven't between Prime 3 so I'm not sure if he's the right of the hunters. | ||||||
| Witch King of Angmar |
I know Johnny is running the show here but I have to interject. I know Advance war was represented by there assist trophy but I think the
Battalion War Soldiers should have been represented 
Smash Attacks Possibilities are Endless. I'll list by Character EX Soldier- Light Weight, Medium Power, Side Smash-Butt with the Gun, Down Smash- Knife to the toe, Up Smash- Gun-Butt to the Chin Specials B- Fire Weapon Down B- Tactical Retreat- Switch Class ala Pokemon trainer to Fire, Missile, Rocket, Normal Soldier Side B- vary between class- Soldier pulls out heavy gun and fires etc up B -Grappling Hook |
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| MetaNite |
I would of liked him too, but I don't think that series is ready yet. That picture looks like it could be from brawl though. | ||||||
| johnny139 |
I wanted Andy from Advance Wars. He's one of my "Runner-Up" choices, and since his series has been around since the NES, it's overdue for representation. | ||||||
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| MadNik |
Noticed you left out character number 0.5...
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| DarkWolf |
Yeah... and it's sooo annoying when people play as Ike online a lot. |
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| MadNik |
I don't know, I only play against you guys. And as a whole, we manage to divide each character up equally, except me, only choosing Peach.
But if this guy was playable, I'd never even look at the other character boxes
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| Dartheyegouger |
I'm still angry that Ray 01 wasn't playable... | ||||||
| MadNik |
Nightmare would eat him for breakfast! But seriously, Ray 01 would've been sweet. |
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| Lord Pyre |
At least they put in a Soul Caliber character.
Link! HAHA! j/k....
Yoda, perhaps? |
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| Creationist |
Darth Maul would be awesome. | ||||||
| Lord Pyre |
Maul's not in Soul Caliber...
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| Dartheyegouger |
He could be DLC. | ||||||
| MadNik |
We're not talking about Maul being downloadable right? lol
Besides... we all know Han could own him anyday. |
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| AzureOcean |
Word. |
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| DarkWolf |
Yup yup. Totally. |
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| Heroic Monkey |
I think Star Wars characters would feel completely out of place in a Smash Brothers game. Except for Jar Jar Binks; people would love to have him in based on the consensus that he's the best character in the series.
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| Dartheyegouger |
I meant for Soul Calibur IV, not Brawl. |
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| Lord Pyre |
Soul Caliber needs more Kyle Katarn. | ||||||
| Darkdrium |
1. Waluigi
2. Birdo 3. Shyguy 4. Boswer Jr. 5. Boo |
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| Lord Pyre |
Birdo, Shyguy, and Boo don't need to be in, IMO, but I'd expect Waluigi and Bowser Jr. in the next game. For me, I'd say: 5. Black Shadow 4. Mewtwo 3. Krystal 2. Ridley 1. K. Rool |
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| DarkWolf |
omg you took the words right out of my mouth |
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| MetaNite |
If there ever was another smash bros, I'd expect:
Ridley or Metroid character King K. Rool Krystal not a clone Another Sonic character Either a Battlion Wars or Advance Wars character |
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| Lord Pyre |
I hope they keep 3rd parties to a single character for each series. I would like Krystal to use her staff and psychic powers, and Black Shadow can have Ganon's moveset, and Ganon would have a mix of physical fighting, and a sword/trident. | ||||||
| Dartheyegouger |
Top 6 that should have been in:
-Ray 01 -Ridley -Krystal -Black Shadow -Andy -Animal Crosser |
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| DarkWolf |
Yeah, even a week ago my friend and I were talking about Krystal and that she made more sense than Wolf, and she wouldn't be a clone. It would be awesome if Krystal was in. Another Sonic char would be awesome too, like Tails or Knuckles.... Not sure about Ridley, people want him a lot... but he seemed he'd be too overpowered and they would have to shrink him. OH YEAH! King K. Rool, of course. Almost everyone wants him heh. |
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| MetaNite |
Shrink him from SSE but he could be bowser sized. I see why Sakurai said he wouldn't work. He would have to fly. Ridley has never walked in a Metroid game as far as I know. Just a step or two and he flys. |
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| DarkWolf |
Yeah.. he'd fly. Exactly why. 1) he would be shrinked, and look a bit weird since used to him being bigger 2) he'd have to fly, and thats too overpowered... kinda like how Master Hand flies... but he could make it work, he glides, kinda like when Meta Knight dashes, and when he jumps, he does actually flying. |
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| Lord Pyre |
That's what I figured. He'd hover just slightly off the ground, and fly like Charizard or whoever. |
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| DarkWolf |
Yeah. Fly like Meta Knight or Charizard or Pit... well, if he would hover and everything and become Bowser sized, I guess Ridley would be pretty awesome... but they'd also have to weaken him and slow him down, which wouldn't be Ridley at all. It'd probably be a baby dragon that looks like Ridley a lil. Heh. |
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| MetaNite |
I can't believe people waited at least 3 years for Brawl, and now they're looking forward to another Smash Bros.
Ridley would still be pretty overpowered. He'd be fast and strong. |
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| DarkWolf |
lol yeah, sheesh. Already tired of Brawl? Brawl just came out and starting a couple weeks ago people have been talking about SSB4. There is a chance there might not be one, and if so, it will definately be longer than 3 years.
But wow, 3 years! Haha! Suckers. I didn't have to wait as much as most people did, I didn't know about it 3 years ago. I only learned a couple months before it came out, not as much waiting killing me.
Mhm. There's no way Ridley would work. I dunno why people say they were either expecting/hoping Ridley would be in brawl, and also talking he should've been a possible character in Brawl, or he should be in the next SSB. It's just not going to work, to many problems (with the always flying, way too big, and overpowered; the first two could probably be solved, by always gliding a little, and of course they could shrink him, but that would be a little weird. but the third one, can't work... if they weakened him, it just wouldn't be right.. Ridley is very fast and strong, as Meta said). |
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| johnny139 |
A) Smash Bros. is like Heroscape. The minute you have the new wave in your hands... you start talking about the next one.
B) Ridley COULD work... before Smash Bros, Fox never walked, either. Just because they HAVEN'T walked before doesn't mean they CAN'T. And they could work that into his character... lots of multi-jumps, the ability to hover, but TERRIBLE ground speed, and awkward handling. Too big? ...yeah, he kinda is. But they could definitely shrink him down. It wouldn't RUIN his character, but admittantly, it would hurt him. Overpowered? Yeah... no. Ganondorf is damn near OMNIPOTENT in Zelda. He's just so-so in Brawl. Mewtwo is the strongest Pokemon of all time, but was virtually the worst character in Melee. He could be fast and strong. So is Ike. That's actually a good analogy... Ridley would be a bigger, airborne, swordless Ike. |
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| MetaNite |
Ike isn't fast. I'll get into fox later, research! | ||||||
| johnny139 |
As THIS video plainly shows, Ike's running speed is equal to Squirtle's. Plus, in the games... Ridley isn't all that fast. I swoops back and forth, but otherwise is kinda laggy (like most bosses). | ||||||
| Bloody the Marro Stinger |
Actually, he and Donkey Kong are the fastest High-Power characters. Fox, like Captain Falcon, was never seen outside his ship before Super Smash Bros. |
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| Lord Pyre |
In FE, Ike is practically a god. He's fast, powerful, and attacks rarely make him flinch. They incorporated most of that in Brawl, except for the speed. He's darn fast, but I guess that would make him too powerful...
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| Heroic Monkey |
Who said we're tired of Brawl? We're just talking about the characters that we feel would have been good choices to be in it. I've posted a few ideas of characters, but I am in no way tired of this game. It's fun to speculate. In some ways, it's more fun to imagine a character being in a game instead of having it in.
Also, Ridley would not be overpowered if the creators gave him a moveset that consisted entirely of extremely laggy attacks that all did 1% damage. I know that's an extremely exaggerated example, but a character's power can not be determined by how they were in their own games. I think Ridley would look fine if he was slightly bigger than Charizard. |
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| Bloody the Marro Stinger |
I have trouble imagining it, though. I guess he could if he was shrunken slightly and then he kneeled in his standing pose, making him bigger than Charizard but still making him realistically big for his physique.
According to Nintendo Power, Sakurai actually thinks it would be pretty difficult to have added Ridley in, but he admitted it was possible. I guess he was worried about Ridley being a Charizard clone for some reason. As for a possible power, stature, and whatnot, he should be in the top tier of attack power and have three jumps. His standard ground attacks and most of his Smash attacks should be inferior to his arieal attacks, which alone would make him unique. We haven't had a power character yet that relies on arieal combat, but it makes sense for Ridley. His Up-B could make him spin in a whirlwind and hit multiple times in mid-air while activating Ridley's glide. |
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| Lord Pyre |
I have trouble imagining Ike being slow, or Olimar being the size of Mario. Or Pikachu being the size of Mario. I don't think they'd have a problem if they actually wanted to do it.
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| Heroic Monkey |
I also have trouble imagining Ridley being in the game. It seems like he would have awkward movements, and he would kind of lose the "Ridley" feel if he was shrunken down. Then again, they added Snake to the game so it might be possible. | ||||||
| MetaNite |
Ike's moves are slow, his walking is pretty slow and weighted. He's not slow in general but he's not all that fast.
Fox has been seen outside his ship, just not playable. Back then he couldn't walk in any of his games. 
So we've seen foxes legs, so I think he can walk. But ya never know... Sakurai said in an interview with Nintendo Power that making Ridley was "pretty impossible." After seeing him in SSE, him being slower, walking, and smaller, and less powerful than a boss would be pretty weird to me. |
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| johnny139 |
We've also SEEN Ridley walk. He doesn't do it often... but he can. I mean, he has legs, too.
And Ridley is pretty unlikely for SSB4. Sakurai chose to put him in as a boss (TWO bosses!), so I doubt that will change for the next game. But he COULD have put him in as a playable character. He just didn't. |
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| MetaNite |
Thank you! He could have, but it may have made him worse. Not RUINED but worse. I'm surprised Mother Brain wasn't a boss. I'd rather have it/her as a boss than TWO bosses! That are Ridleys. |
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| Lord Pyre |
Have you played FE? In both of his games, he's running circles around swordmasters, who are the fastest unit type available... And Fox HAS been out of his ship. In Starfox64 if you get a medal in Venom on expert mode, you can play multiplayer on foot. I've never seen this, and my Google screenshot search has turned up empty, but I've heard you can from multiple places. Here's one: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/n64/code/198759.html |
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| AzureOcean |
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| MetaNite |
Assult was after Smash Bros. FE is not Brawl. He's considered a heavy character. He's not the slowest and definately not the fastest. | ||||||
| johnny139 |
That's exactly what he means. In FE, Ike is really fast. In Brawl, Ike isn't. If Ridley is fast in Metroid (which he really isn't), why would he have to be fast in Brawl? |
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| DarkWolf |
Ah, the old Star Fox 64. I used to play that a ton, we still have it. Awesome game, I play everyone once and a while still.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=daJrmkWFUS4 2:04, Fox is walking. 2:50, Fox is running. http://youtube.com/watch?v=_6HnF3LHQZ4 0:48, Fox is running. When I saw you people saying before Super Smash Brothers Fox was never seen walking before, I was like "WHAT?! Are you kidding?!" And then someone put that picture and said that he was seen on two feet outside the ship, but not in the actual game itself. Then I like -.- And as someone else also mentioned, you can unlock a multiplayer where you can play on feet. Never knew that though. Star Fox 64 is best Star Fox game eber! |
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| DarkWolf |
No one has posted... I was expecting something like, "Oh..".. I dunno... but it's been a couple days and no one has responded to my vids I found.
That made me laugh, and was one of the big reasons why I got the vids from youtube showing Fox walking/running. |
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| Lord Pyre |
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3tMKXVzyl_4
Here he is walking.
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| MetaNite |
Because we've seen him in SSE. He'd be downgraded. Thanks Dark Wolf! |
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| DarkWolf |
Ah, another vid showing Fox running. And the rumors are true, too. Cool, thanks Pyre.  (buckteeth, because it's smiling, and I'ma dork, and I like that smilie. lol xD)
No problem. It's DarkWolf, like your name is MetaNite, and not Meta Nite. xD
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| killercactus |
I must be the oldest person around here, because these are my top 5:
5) Q-Bert. Ok, just kidding. 4) Toad - a playable character in Mario games since Mario 2 and MarioKart. He deserves more love than Peach's NB. 3) Billy and/or Jimmy - the Dragon twins. You know you want to do that jumping roundhouse kick on Mario... 2) Little Mac - he almost made it, but another amazing smash character he would've made 1) Megaman - yeah, I know he's capcom now, but he was a nintendo icon. He would be amazing in Smash. And on that topic, Dr. Wily would be an awesome Pokemon Trainer type character, summoning out Metal Man, Air Man, etc. |
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| Heroic Monkey |
What? Runa's not on your list?
I agree Toad would have been nice (being Peach's B-move must hurt his self-esteem). |
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