Wolfen
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Boss BattleHas anyone beat very Hard mode?
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MadNik
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Re: Boss Battle | Wolfen wrote: | | Has anyone beat very Hard mode? |
Dude, I'm going to try again in jsut a few moments.
Wolfen and I have been trying since 12:30--ish to beat it on Very Hard mode. I've come the closest so far, getting Taboo to one more hit, before being eraticated by another uber-attack 
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DarkWolf
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I'll try very soon... after I finish making this card... and if Heroic Monkey let's me. He doesn't like 1-player mode.
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Shades fan
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Re: Boss Battle | MadNik wrote: | | Wolfen wrote: | | Has anyone beat very Hard mode? |
Dude, I'm going to try again in jsut a few moments.
Wolfen and I have been trying since 12:30--ish to beat it on Very Hard mode. I've come the closest so far, getting Taboo to one more hit, before being eraticated by another uber-attack |
When I beat him on hard I found Samus the very best. She has really good up attacks and up special move
I used.
Diddy Kong
Samus
Game and watch
Peach
Snake!
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MetaNite
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Yesterday I beat SSE and I just beat it on very hard. It only took me 4 tries. I used Metaknight, Snake, Donkey Kong, Sheik, and then Falco.
Then I tried intense. I didn't even reach Tabuu.
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MadNik
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Gah! I still haven't beaten Boss battle on VH Mode...
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DarkWolf
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Now, time to try VH Mode!!!
Wow... I tried... and tried... and tried... the most I got was 6 defeated, very close to 7.
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Lord Pyre
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That card should probably go somewhere else. How about you make a custom thread, or something?
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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| MadNik wrote: | | Gah! I still haven't beaten Boss battle on VH Mode... |
I have.
Here is my advice for the bosses on Very Hard:
Master Hand: Stand under him and slam him with your most damaging upwards attack (R.O.B.'s Up-Smash and Up-Air come to mind). Really, that's pretty much it. Getting damaged above 50% on this guy alone in Boss Battle means you're pathetic.
Crazy Hand: Look at Master Hand above, since he's pretty much the same thing.
Petey Piranha: You can damage the cages by using your most powerful melee attack, but it not only takes too long, but you're likely to recieve absurd amounts of damage in the process. Avoid this by only damaging him with melee when you start, and do that until he jumps. Go in the opposite direction of his jump and pepper him with ranged attacks until he jumps, then repeat. Repeat ad naseum until he's dead, which will take a while.
Rayquaza: You're going to do more damage by attacking Rayquaza's head than anywhere else, so do that. Try to be in the air most of the time, as then you dodge most of his attacks. The ones you can't dodge by jumping are his burrowing ones, which are easy to dodge anyway.
Porky: The first difficult boss in the slightest. His hardest attack to dodge is by far the one where he raises two of his legs and summons an energy ball that in turn hits you with a laser. It's very difficult to dodge - even Air Dodging is difficult, not to mention when he uses it as you attack him. Your best bet is to fly over it, which is difficult. When he jabs you repeatedly, try to Air Dodge or use your Up-B and get out of it. Don't bother using Aerial Attacks - he's too small to reliably hit him with them.
Galleom: This guy is EASY. In my opinion, he's the easiest boss in the entire game. His attacks are absurdly predictable, and he has a long wind-up before he actually uses them. The only saving grace for him is that he usually doesn't wait that long in between them, but they're so easy to dodge it usually doesn't matter. Stand under him and fire away. His attacks are mostly aimed in front of him, so whenever he uses his punching and stomping attacks, get behind him unless he uses the one where he stomps to the other end of the field. In that case, jump with him, since he can only harm you with that if you're on the ground. His most deadly attack is his belly flop (wow...). Get behind him to dodge it, and you sure do want to dodge it. Trust me. It's a surprisingly powerful belly flop.
Ridley: Basically, he's Master Hand. Use arieals to harm him, as your ground attacks won't reach him in all likelihood. One of his few different attacks is to do a slam, which he always uses after doing a mini-one, though he shares that pre-animation with another attack that's easier to dodge. He's still pretty easy.
Duon: Whoo boy. This is probably the hardest boss in the entire game. The blue side has powerful melee attacks. So powerful, in fact, that it is pratically suicide to use melee attacks against that side. Pepper him with ranged attacks until he switches to the Pink one. The Pink one is more bearable to melee, so do that against it, and prepare to dodge it's gun attacks. The missile attack can actually be used against this boss, as you can lure them to Duon and they'll hit him instead. It's risky, though, as they have the power altogether of one of the blue side's attacks. Above all, make sure you can recover well against this guy. If he gets you to a posistion where he can knock you off the course, he usually knocks you very far, so if you use someone like Bowser, you won't be able to go far enough to recover.
Meta-Ridley: Whenever he hangs above the left side of the Falcon Flyer idle, attack him with arieal moves. When he moves away from you, jump to the right to dodge ALL of his attacks. I'm serious. A jump to the right will dodge pretty much all of them. The only ones you can't dodge by doing that are his missile attack (he launches a bunch of missiles. Jump to the right, but instead of staying there, use an Up-B to go ABOVE him and strike him with an arieal), his ground pound attack (it's an instant kill if you're hit. This has a different pre-animation then his other ones, as he flies above you instead of away from you when he goes off-screen), and his triple fireball attack (he grabs the engine and drags the ship down. Use an ranged attack that points downwards to get him off the engine and avoid the fireballs).
Tabuu: This guy's a pushover once you are able to dodge his instant-kill move. To dodge that, you have to shield dodge three times in a row at just the right time. It's tricky, and probably the hardest move to dodge in the game, but once you have it down, he isn't hard. Most of his attacks are simple dashing and projectile attacks, so you can jump to dodge them. The only ones you should look out for are his whip and two teleporting attacks.
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DarkWolf
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Too... lazy... to read... all of it...
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MadNik
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Never knew about the Pink side being weaker than the Blue. Or the missles hurting itself, I shall take advantage of that.
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MetaNite
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| MadNik wrote: | | Never knew about the Pink side being weaker than the Blue. Or the missles hurting itself, I shall take advantage of that. |
I don't get how you can pwn me in brawling but I beat VH boss battle and you didng't
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MadNik
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| MetaNite wrote: | | MadNik wrote: | | Never knew about the Pink side being weaker than the Blue. Or the missles hurting itself, I shall take advantage of that. |
I don't get how you can pwn me in brawling but I beat VH boss battle and you didng't |
I can easily get to Tabuu with any character, but I can not dodge his... wave thingy that always kills.
EDIT: 3/24/08 9:10pm- I FANALLY KILLED THAT B******!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (on very hard mode)
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Heroic Monkey
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Good job, Madnik! Now you can try it on insane mode. Won't that be fun? 
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MadNik
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| Heroic Monkey wrote: | | Good job, Madnik! Now you can try it on insane mode. Won't that be fun? |
Yup, couldn't help but notice the new box telling me to do again on Intense...
If I don't show up on the forum within the next few days, I've killed myself.
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DarkWolf
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| MadNik wrote: | | Heroic Monkey wrote: | | Good job, Madnik! Now you can try it on insane mode. Won't that be fun? |
Yup, couldn't help but notice the new box telling me to do again on Intense...
If I don't show up on the forum within the next few days, I've killed myself. |
Aww... good luck, if you fail... we'll miss you so much! T_T
*turns and whispers to MetaNite and johnny139* you guys ready to throw a party when MadNik dies?
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johnny139
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| DarkWolf wrote: | | *turns and whispers to MetaNite and johnny139* you guys ready to throw a party when MadNik dies? |
I have a pinata with "Happy ReDeadening" on it. Does that count?
...as for Boss Battles, I beat it on Hard yesterday with Pit. Not TOO difficult, but I know that the other levels will be hell.
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DarkWolf
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| johnny139 wrote: | | I have a pinata with "Happy ReDeadening" on it. Does that count? |
Awesome... that'll work. I like beating the crap outta pinatas! What does it look like? MadNik's face would be pretty cool, and when we're done beating up the pinata, it will remind us that he died, and we will be more happy.
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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UGHHH.
That's all I have to say after trying to beat Boss Battles on Intense. It's hell. My record is six killed - the seventh, I got killed by PORKY for the zillionth time  . Seriously, Porky makes me want to kill him, revive him, kill him again, revive him, hang him, revive him, and then burn him alive. That's how much he aggrivates me. That stupid Laser Ball thing that he summons with the 2 legs (like the thing I wrote says) is harder to dodge for me then Tabuu's instant kill move. Not only that, but it does about 50%(!!!), and that's if you're lucky enough to not get hit by it constantly. If you're getting hit by all of it, you're screwed. ROYALLY. Not only that, but about 5 times now I was in the middle of a smash attack when he does that attack where he rushes at you extremely fast and I'm so damaged that he kills me instantly with it. It aggrivates me to no end. Someday, Porky, someday... I shall have my revenge!
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MadNik
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I told Wolfen that I was going to be one of the few to beat all of the challenges without using a single hammer...
But after reading Bloody's last post... those hammers sure look appealing...
And whats with the DeadNik party?
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DarkWolf
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Oh um... well, we're celebrating your death... because then we'll know that you're in a happier place. 
Me not likey you new Avatar. (I tink you changed it to annoying Meta, right?)
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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Madnik, sorry to burst your bubble... but the Galleom (Tank) trophy that you get from beating Boss Battle on Intense can't be gotten by a Golden Hammer. You have to risk life and limb going against ten intense bosses. Sorry.
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johnny139
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| MadNik wrote: | I told Wolfen that I was going to be one of the few to beat all of the challenges without using a single hammer...
But after reading Bloody's last post... those hammers sure look appealing...
And whats with the DeadNik party? |
The Hammers don't work on Boss Battle Challenges. If they did, NO ONE would ever TRY Boss Battle. 
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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| johnny139 wrote: | | MadNik wrote: | I told Wolfen that I was going to be one of the few to beat all of the challenges without using a single hammer...
But after reading Bloody's last post... those hammers sure look appealing...
And whats with the DeadNik party? |
The Hammers don't work on Boss Battle Challenges. If they did, NO ONE would ever TRY Boss Battle. |
I beat you.
Really, all they need to do is put the Golden Hammer immunity on the Galleom Tank trophy and people will play it.
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MadNik
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| Bloody the Marro Stinger wrote: | | johnny139 wrote: | | MadNik wrote: | I told Wolfen that I was going to be one of the few to beat all of the challenges without using a single hammer...
But after reading Bloody's last post... those hammers sure look appealing...
And whats with the DeadNik party? |
The Hammers don't work on Boss Battle Challenges. If they did, NO ONE would ever TRY Boss Battle. |
I beat you.
Really, all they need to do is put the Golden Hammer immunity on the Galleom Tank trophy and people will play it. |
Oh... NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And no, I didn't change my avatar to annoy anyone.
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DarkWolf
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Me not like it, Shiek better, and resembles you better.
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MadNik
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| DarkWolf wrote: | | Me not like it, Shiek better, and resembles you better. |
Wha-
Like... you know what I look like?
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DarkWolf
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Erm no... I mean... gah... Shiek makes me think of you a lil bit cuz its your main and you've had it as your avatar for a while.
Um... no... I don't know what you look like. <.< >.> ^.^ V.V
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MadNik
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| DarkWolf wrote: | | Erm no... I mean... gah... Shiek makes me think of you a lil bit cuz its your main and you've had it as your avatar for a while |
The Random button is my main
And good, I was worried there for a minute, because I do have the same hair as Sheik (without the new ponytail)
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DarkWolf
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okay well... PEACH IS JUST WEIRD! T.T Actually Peach rocks. One of my fav SSE clips, Fox shooting and flying around Metaknight's ship, he gets shot, jumps out, fights (Shiek, right? I don't remember), and then Peach stops them and offers tea and sips tea happily.
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MadNik
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yup, that was cool.
But since this is supposed to be about Boss Battles... I guess thats what needs to be discussed... not my awsome Peachyness.
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DarkWolf
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Alright, get back on topic then.
Nice advice and everything, Bloody! ^_^
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Firemaster
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My advice for boss battles:
Use Pit, with his abilities, he is by far the best character for boss battles. One thing to note for this is you won't be going for speed, but safety. I won't bother with Master Hand, Crazy Hand, or Petey Pirahna as their quite easy. Rayquaza was mostly covered by Bloody, so I won't do him either, though I will emphasize that if you see him circle in the air or his eyes glow, shield immediately, and his electric charage shots are reflectable. Same thing with Tabuu (just watch out for his golden cage and big arrow attacks. Also when he does his butterfly attack, move towards the edges of the platform to give yourself more room).
Galleom: Your arrows do quite a bit of damage to him, so your best, safest bet is to stay at the opposite end of the screen spamming arrows. Jump whenever you see him ready his missiles or dash attack, and the only attack that really has a chance to hit you is his his multi mini jumps. You have plenty of time to prepare for this, so as soon as you see him do those mini jumps, jump and do all your midair jumps (moving slightly back all the while to make it harder for him to hit you), then use your up air speacial and steer over his head.
Duon: Funny thing is, with Pit, I actually think this guy is one of the easiest. Like Galleom, you want to spend the battle at the opposite side of the screen, spamming arrows. Though I won't bother with most of blueside's attacks, as they will rarely come into play with this strategy, and the spin attack only happens when you fail to get past the dash attack fast enough, I will tell you how to deal with their attacks:
Dash attack: Duon ducks to the ground, then dashes across the platform. Very easy to dodge, just jump back off the platform, jump a few more times, then use your up special to fly over Duon. Don't take to long, as he often follows up with a spin attack if you're too close, and be prepare to jump again, as he will sometime dash again almost immediately.
Triple slash: The Blue side will move VERY slowly and when he reaches you, does a triple slash. Just move forward and shield roll back when he reaches you, or jump back off the platform until his attack is over.
Jump: Duon ducks, then jumps. Jump backwards off the platform until his jump is complete. He moves back to position rather slowly, so you can also use this opprotunity to get in a couple air attacks.
Rapid fire: The pink side moves his (her?) arm down and starts firing in one of two ways, a rapid spread covering a wide area (which won't even come close to hitting you, if you're at the other end of the platform), or a multi shot over a small area. In either case when you see him readying this attack, use your v+b reflector (they do quite a bit of damage if you succeed in reflecting one back at the enemy).
Head Laser: This attack is fast and comes without warning, and thus is very hard to avoid. Your only real choice is to grit your teeth and hope he doesn't use this attack too much.
Cluster Bombs: The blue side tucks his arm and launches some bombs. They fly slowly, and might not even reach you at the other side of the platform. If you want to be absolutely safe, just jump back off the platform.
Porky: A very hard boss; I would recommend spending much of this batlle like the previous two, staying away and spamming arrows. I won't bother with most of his attacks, as they are easily avoided, but here is how I would suggest to beat his more effective attacks:
Electric Ball Beam: As Bloody said, almost impossible to dodge. Don't bother trying to avoid the Electric Ball Beam. When you see him do this, run as far away from him as possible, and hold the shield button. Yes, this will cause your shield to break, but you will take no damage. Fortunately, Porky does two things to help you here. 1) He almost waits long enough before attacking, and 2) he almost always follows up with a jump attack, and because it has limited range, it will often not go far enough to hit you (provided he did not use this attack in the middle of the screen).
Thunder from above: When you see porky fly up, simply wait untill he's above you, then start shield rolling back and forth. You shouldn't get hit.
Suicide Bombers: These little guys are affected by your arrows, so if there's enough distance between you and them, you can fire off a couple arrows to thin their numbers, otherwise just do a couple air jumps as they pass under you.
Ridley: He is similar to Master Hand, but with major differences. Most of his attacks are fairly standard, however there is one attack I'd like to point out:
Drop Prep: Ridley will drop to the ground and do one of two attacks. If you see a cinemantic like Master Hand's Fist attack, Jump up into the air, and when he is about to reach you, dodge (unlike Master Hand's attack, he homes in on your position). If you don't see this cinematic, move as far to the other side of the platform as you can in a second and then hold the shield button. When you see Ridley dash across the screen, dodge (this attack also homes in on you, so you are best off on the ground, where if you miss the dodge, he will hit your shield and you will take no damage).
Meta-Ridley: With Pit, this battle is actually much easier than his regular version. Like Bloody suggested, attack him mostly between his attacks (you get about 4-5 seconds at a time to do so), and whenever Meta Ridley Flies up or back jump up and use your air jumps and ^+b as needed to stay in the air until the attack is over. The exception to this is when you see him roar and move up slightly, as that means he's going to take a diving swoop at the ship, duck when you see this and he shouldn't hit you. You can take swipes at him while he is using his missile or Fireball attacks, but it can be rather risky.
All right, that's what I've got for now, I hope it helps.
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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| Firemaster wrote: |
Porky: A very hard boss; I would recommend spending much of this batlle like the previous two, staying away and spamming arrows. I won't bother with most of his attacks, as they are easily avoided, but here is how I would suggest to beat his more effective attacks:
Electric Ball Beam: As Bloody said, almost impossible to dodge. Don't bother trying to avoid the Electric Ball Beam. When you see him do this, run as far away from him as possible, and hold the shield button. Yes, this will cause your shield to break, but you will take no damage. Fortunately, Porky does two things to help you here. 1) He almost waits long enough before attacking, and 2) he almost always follows up with a jump attack, and because it has limited range, it will often not go far enough to hit you (provided he did not use this attack in the middle of the screen).
Thunder from above: When you see porky fly up, simply wait untill he's above you, then start shield rolling back and forth. You shouldn't get hit.
Suicide Bombers: These little guys are affected by your arrows, so if there's enough distance between you and them, you can fire off a couple arrows to thin their numbers, otherwise just do a couple air jumps as they pass under you.
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Drop Prep: Ridley will drop to the ground and do one of two attacks. If you see a cinemantic like Master Hand's Fist attack, Jump up into the air, and when he is about to reach you, dodge (unlike Master Hand's attack, he homes in on your position). If you don't see this cinematic, move as far to the other side of the platform as you can in a second and then hold the shield button. When you see Ridley dash across the screen, dodge (this attack also homes in on you, so you are best off on the ground, where if you miss the dodge, he will hit your shield and you will take no damage).
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I agree with pretty much all of this (now to actually try variations of this out with R.O.B.), but I would like to point out a few things:
First, with Porky. One thing to note about his jump attack is that when he uses it, HE NEVER ENDS UP WHERE HE WAS WHEN HE USED IT. If you're attacking him when he uses it, just stand where he was when he used it and he'll never hit you. The suicide Porky attack dodging strategy, however, I don't really like (at least with R.O.B.). It you do small hops, you risk mis-timing it and getting hit by an explosion. An alternate strategy is to stand in the air the whole attack and not only will you be able to dodge all the suicide mini-Porkys, you'll be able to damage Porky if you have a character that can stay in the air long enough since he really doesn't use another attack while doing it, but I'm guessing that either one works.
About the Drop-Prep thing, Firemaster got the first one right, but the second thing is WRONG (I think. I know his attacks, but Firemaster may be referring to the attacks differently than I do). Ridley DOES use the second attack as described, but the pre-animation is not the same one as the diving attack (Firemaster calls it the fist attack, but it looks more like a dive to me. He dives from the background to hit you, which is extremely similar to a certain move from a very special hand...). Another way to dodge the first attack (the diving one), by the way, is to simply stay in mid-air as long as possible. If you have a character with a long flying capability like R.O.B.'s Up-B move, you can simply use that and Ridley misses you every time. The second one is just a simple ground pound. It's kind of similar to the move that Master Hand does when he floats above you with his hand in a fist and attempts to slam into you, but he does it off-screen. To dodge it, simply get the heck away from where you were when he went off-screen, since that's where he targets. Then, when he slams down, that's your cue to slam him with your favorite ranged attacks.
As for the dash, the pre-animation has him turning around and going off-screen. Besides the shield roll, I've also had sucess using a jump and then an air dodge as he comes charging by. Time it right (which is easy) and he'll completely miss you.
If you don't have a ranged character, you are SCREWED. Duon will simply beat you to a bloody pulp, and so will Porky. If you're using an entirely melee character against Duon, your best bet is to stay far, far away from him and risk getting hit by the missiles to ram them into Duon. If you suceed, you can simply retreat and do it again. If it fails... well, you won't be alive long enough to blame me for giving you bad advice.
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MadNik
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heres a little tid-bit for anyone else trying to do this thing.
Young Link = Pogo Stick
Pogo Stick = Getting me all the way to Tabuu only using one heart. Of course I died miserably there and turned my game off.
Another Tip: Fox's reflector (and probably Wolf and Falco's) can reflect MetaRidly's spread shots and they deal major damage to himself. I reflected three of those little things and killed him!
Ok, I'm doing well with Fox. I can beat the hands, petey, and Duon without taking any hits. Sometimes MetaRidly. But I keep getting killed by accident. Like I'll be running away from a stomp, and I'll trip...
DAMNIT! The minute I finished typing that, I continued playing and got stomped by metaridly! How does that happen?
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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You're spelling Meta-Ridley wrong.
I need to ditch my more offensive approach for Intense. It keeps on killing me one way or another.
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MadNik
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| Bloody the Marro Stinger wrote: | You're spelling Meta-Ridley wrong.
I need to ditch my more offensive approach for Intense. It keeps on killing me one way or another. |
HE DOESNT DISERVE AN 'E' IN HIS NAME! 
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Firemaster
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Yeah, I mixed up Ridley's attacks. If you don't see the 'swoop' animation, it means he's going to drop back onto the ground after a couple seconds. Just wait a half second after you see no animation and start running, and it should miss you.
One thing to note is that I wrote these strategies with using Pit (who after continueing to use him, will contend even more that he is the best one for boss battles) in mind, so if you're using a different character, then of course some of the strategies will not work. One thing that definately will apply to every character is letting your shield break against Porky's Electro Ball. I have never gotten hurt doing this, unless he was one of the last bosses to appear and he followed up with Thunder from Above (In which case he flies over to you very quickly. That's another thing I'd like to note. In the hundred or so times I've faced this attack, he has never followed up Electro Ball with anything other than a jump or Thunder from Above).
As for my progress, I keep just barely not beating Very Hard. I beat the first 9 bosses very easily (almost always using no more than 2 hearts), but once I fight Tabuu, I keep messing up on the timing for the Butterfly or cage attacks. It is very frustrating.
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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I'm sure it is frustrating. It would be very annoying to get killed by those moves.
I'm not sure about this, but I think you can dodge Tabuu's cage attack by air-dodging. As for the butterfly attack, practice makes perfect.
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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Some notes on Intense (I haven't beaten it yet, but I'm working on it now that I only have two challenges left, including that one):
The first thing to realize is that the bosses move as fast as they did on the following:
All difficulties in Subspace Emissary
For Master and Crazy Hand, Intense on Classic
In other words, they are far faster. Luck is key here more than ever here, as the bosses have damage increases added on to their attacks the later you face them, with the second to last (in other words, ninth) position doing the most. The bosses you DO NOT want to get 9th are:
Porky
Duon
Rayquaza
Now, I know what you're thinking about that last one. "Rayquaza? He's extremely easy! What are you talking about?"
On Intense, it can actually be difficult to dodge his attacks due to the sheer speed he moves at. The main problem is that even though you deal most of your damage by attacking him in the head (in the process using arieals), most of his attacks start at the head. Thus, you have to be very quick on the Air-Dodge button to dodge his attacks on Intense, despite the fact that on all other difficulties he gives you enough time to dodge. Facing him ninth is suicide because of that. Porky has been well discussed, so I won't go over him. Duon no longer moves extremely slow when he's moving up to attack, so you have to be very quick about your dodging.
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MetaNite
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I got sort of close. I used DK. His down B is devastating! Ridley and Meta Ridley were hard since they are airborne. After many tries I got to Tabuu. I had no hearts left and 96% damage. Yes, I lost. He is hard because he teloports very quickly.
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MadNik
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I've played enough to the point where I can get to Tabuu with Fox using only one heart, right before him. But I cant dodge the butterfly thing anymore.
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Lord Pyre
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Reflect it back into him!
...Wait...
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MetaNite
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| MadNik wrote: | | I've played enough to the point where I can get to Tabuu with Fox using only one heart, right before him. But I cant dodge the butterfly thing anymore. |
Air dodges work pretty well. And you can usually survive one hit from it.
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MadNik
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| Lord Pyre wrote: | Reflect it back into him!
...Wait... |
How about you try that first, and let me know how that works out lol
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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| MetaNite wrote: | | MadNik wrote: | | I've played enough to the point where I can get to Tabuu with Fox using only one heart, right before him. But I cant dodge the butterfly thing anymore. |
Air dodges work pretty well. And you can usually survive one hit from it. |
Not in my experiences. You can only survive the third hit. Air Dodges should only be used by falling off the ledge with a character who can get back on, since otherwise you won't get a third off in time before you hit the ground.
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MetaNite
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| Bloody the Marro Stinger wrote: | | MetaNite wrote: | | MadNik wrote: | | I've played enough to the point where I can get to Tabuu with Fox using only one heart, right before him. But I cant dodge the butterfly thing anymore. |
Air dodges work pretty well. And you can usually survive one hit from it. |
Not in my experiences. You can only survive the third hit. Air Dodges should only be used by falling off the ledge with a character who can get back on, since otherwise you won't get a third off in time before you hit the ground. |
Once I dodged all of the waves with it. I jump, dodge, fall, jump dodge, fall, jump, dodge fall. Or I use my sheild on the last one.
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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But wouldn't it be easier to time by just shield dodging? The Off-Waves are pretty much one of the few attacks that are easier to shield dodge then Air-Dodge. When you have your shield up, you can time it easier then in the air. Normally, doing it in the air is quicker, but here, where the waves kill you instantly, quicker doesn't matter.
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Lord Pyre
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Yeah, step-dodging is much easier. (Shield and hit down)
With air dodging lasts longer which can really mess with your timing. I've not been able to do it that way.
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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I read around some other sites yesterday, looking for a good character to beat Boss Battles on Intense with. From what I gathered, some people liked plowing their way through with Charizard using Rock Smash. I decided to try that out.
IT WORKED!
Now I can pretty much officially boast that I am the first one here to beat Boss Battles on Intense. Rock Smash owns all of them except Tabuu (at least, normally anyways. When he's giant and firing his eye lasers, on the other hand...), but you have to be careful. Rayquaza will beat you if you don't take the proper caution, Galleom will one-hit kill you while you're doing it if you're not careful, and Duon will easily kill you if you enter his fight with about 50% or more. Porky can be difficult using the Rock Smash strategy, but he's a big target, so you can kill him before he gets off his energy ball laser move. The rest are easy.
Rock Smash is so good against bosses because of the debris that comes from the rock. All the bosses except Tabuu are too big to dodge the debris, and even Tabuu is when he starts using his eye lasers and grows huge.
Even with that, though, it's pretty difficult. Remember that if you decide to do the Rock Smash thing, Charizard is terrible at dodging while he's doing the move. You want to hit the enemy so that you leave yourself time to dodge. You also want to hope that you get any boss but Rayquaza and Duon 9th, since those will kill you in those positions.
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Lord Pyre
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I thought about using Charizard, since he's awesome at killing the SSE bad guys, but I never got around to it.
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MetaNite
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Nice job!
I used rock smash to get my homerun record. Does a lot of damage! Yesterday a got to Tabuu with 0% damage with DK! I even took a screenshot for proof. I died though. I couldn't dodge the last wave.
I tried again this morning. Got to Tabuu with 153% and 1 hear left. I was at the tip of the little entrance thing and it made me go in when I tried to jump over. I died and never got that heart.
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Lord Pyre
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I tried doing it with Charizard, but I suck as him... He's too slow....
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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To make yourself go faster with Charizard, dash and jump when you near most of the bosses so you're pretty much garunteed to get close enough to hit. The exceptions are Petey Piranha (you want to hit the cages, so you want to dash, run away, then dash in again when he's stationary. Rinse and repeat.), Porky (for Porky your best way to kill him is to stand right next to him. He doesn't move that often, fortunately), and to some extent, Tabuu.
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Firemaster
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One thing to note about Charizard, is that he is immune to all damage while you are switching pokemon, and it lasts about the same amount of time as it takes for Tabuu's butterfly waves to pass you.
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Bloody the Marro Stinger
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That's great advice, though I haven't tried it. Still, nothing is easier for me than shield dodging the Off-Waves (that's what the site calls the "buttefly waves", so that's what I'm referring to the attack by from now on). I can usually shield dodge it easily.
The even better thing is that now since I only have one Boss Trophy left until I have all of them (Meta-Ridley. Darn you, 2:00 time limit...), I'll never have to see Tabuu again. Unless I'm mining for coins, of course, since you can beat him relatively easily once you can dodge his Off-Waves and Golden Brackets.
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DarkWolf
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| Firemaster wrote: | | One thing to note about Charizard, is that he is immune to all damage while you are switching pokemon, and it lasts about the same amount of time as it takes for Tabuu's butterfly waves to pass you. |
Oh yeah, cool advice. I haven't thought of that. Thanks! 
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Sup3rS0n1c
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| MadNik wrote: | | MetaNite wrote: | | MadNik wrote: | | Never knew about the Pink side being weaker than the Blue. Or the missles hurting itself, I shall take advantage of that. |
I don't get how you can pwn me in brawling but I beat VH boss battle and you didng't |
I can easily get to Tabuu with any character, but I can not dodge his... wave thingy that always kills.
EDIT: 3/24/08 9:10pm- I FANALLY KILLED THAT B******!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (on very hard mode) |
lol, i beat him, like, a few weeks ago, and got so close to beating him on intense, but got killed by the stupid teleport exploions bu im trying!
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Sup3rS0n1c
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| DarkWolf wrote: | | Firemaster wrote: | | One thing to note about Charizard, is that he is immune to all damage while you are switching pokemon, and it lasts about the same amount of time as it takes for Tabuu's butterfly waves to pass you. |
Oh yeah, cool advice. I haven't thought of that. Thanks! |
yeah, thats pretty cool, but have you considered doing a 2player boss battle mode? its much easier
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