Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: Tournament Legality - Items
Alright, now, our tournaments here will be more "casual," meaning that items that don't give a massive advantage to anyone are allowed.
LEGAL ITEMS
Bunny Hood
Banana Peel
Barrel
Beam Sword
Bumper
Capsule
Crate
Fan
Fire Flower
Food
Freezie
Green Shell
Gooey Bomb
Hothead
Lip's Stick
Metal Box
Motion Sensor Bomb
Mr. Saturn
Pitfall
Poison Mushroom
Ray Gun
Sandbag
Screw Attack
Smash Ball
Smoke Ball
Soccer Ball
Spring
Star Rod
Super Mushroom
Super Scope
Team Healer
Unira
Warp Star
All of these items either provide a minor power-up, have significant risk in using, or need skill to fight correctly with. As such, I'm of the opinion they should be allowed in our tournaments, though if any seem too powerful, please say so.
ILLEGAL ITEMS
Assist Trophy Capsule
Blast Box
Bob-omb
Cracker Launcher
Deku Nut
Dragoon
Franklin Badge
Golden Hammer
Hammer
Heart Container
Homerun Bat
Lightning
Maxim Tomato
Poke Ball
Ray Gun
Smart Bomb
Starman
Superspicy Curry
Timer
These items may have a small chance at backfiring occationally, but otherwise, are far too powerful and give a single player massive advantage. Illegal, IMO, though please bring up any disagreements.
Last edited by johnny139 on Fri May 16, 2008 1:07 am; edited 4 times in total
Super Scope should be aloud. So should motion sensor. There's strategy to that and its not just throw and die.
I think dragoon should be disallowed. It takes away from the fighting and provides a cheap hit.
I think Assist trophies, and pokeballs should be disallowed and bom-ombs and bumbers should be made legal.
Any reason for making Pokeballs disallowed. They are random if thats why but I think they are important to gameplay.
No, they are random. How they important for gameplay? If you're thinking as important as I think your thinking, like smash ball level, then I think you are wrong.
Super Scope should be aloud. So should motion sensor. There's strategy to that and its not just throw and die.
I think dragoon should be disallowed. It takes away from the fighting and provides a cheap hit.
I think Assist trophies, and pokeballs should be disallowed and bom-ombs and bumbers should be made legal.
Any reason for making Pokeballs disallowed. They are random if thats why but I think they are important to gameplay.
No, they are random. How they important for gameplay? If you're thinking as important as I think your thinking, like smash ball level, then I think you are wrong.
I think they are cheap.
I know they are random which is why I think they are important to gameplay. They add a certain level of luck which is needed for a tournament, if their isn't any luck factors the more casual players that
don't get to play as often as you or me ,or are a good as you or me will be blown out of the water by the people who play this all the time. _________________
Super Scope should be aloud. So should motion sensor. There's strategy to that and its not just throw and die.
I think dragoon should be disallowed. It takes away from the fighting and provides a cheap hit.
I think Assist trophies, and pokeballs should be disallowed and bom-ombs and bumbers should be made legal.
Any reason for making Pokeballs disallowed. They are random if thats why but I think they are important to gameplay.
No, they are random. How they important for gameplay? If you're thinking as important as I think your thinking, like smash ball level, then I think you are wrong.
I think they are cheap.
I know they are random which is why I think they are important to gameplay. They add a certain level of luck which is needed for a tournament, if their isn't any luck factors the more casual players that
don't get to play as often as you or me ,or are a good as you or me will be blown out of the water by the people who play this all the time.
But isn't that sort of like the whole point of a tournamen? I wouldn't mind a random factor or luck factor, but I'd prefer something other than pokeballs. There's assist trophies, smash balls, and many other items that may have a random effect. _________________
Super Scope should be aloud. So should motion sensor. There's strategy to that and its not just throw and die.
I think dragoon should be disallowed. It takes away from the fighting and provides a cheap hit.
I think Assist trophies, and pokeballs should be disallowed and bom-ombs and bumbers should be made legal.
Any reason for making Pokeballs disallowed. They are random if thats why but I think they are important to gameplay.
No, they are random. How they important for gameplay? If you're thinking as important as I think your thinking, like smash ball level, then I think you are wrong.
I think they are cheap.
I know they are random which is why I think they are important to gameplay. They add a certain level of luck which is needed for a tournament, if their isn't any luck factors the more casual players that
don't get to play as often as you or me ,or are a good as you or me will be blown out of the water by the people who play this all the time.
But isn't that sort of like the whole point of a tournamen? I wouldn't mind a random factor or luck factor, but I'd prefer something other than pokeballs. There's assist trophies, smash balls, and many other items that may have a random effect.
Ok I will agree with you on the pokeballs. I am happy as long as the instant kill effects are out of the Tournament and the bombs are in it.. I think that most of us here have enough play time to not need pokeballs. _________________
Here are my votes for the undecided, as well as reasons:
Assist Trophy Capsule: Disallowed. Most of them can K.O. an opponent with little to no effort, which is pretty unfair.
Bob-omb: I'm probably going to get flogged for this, but I'm voting for a disallowing of this. This can potentially K.O. in one hit, and if it doesn't, then it still does high amounts of damage.
Bumper: Allowed. This is a very fun item, and while it has some knockback, getting hit by this isn't the most common thing in the world.
Dragoon: Disallowed, easily. The three parts requirement isn't an issue when you can simply damage the enemy and knock the Dragoon parts out. This is pretty much a one hit K.O. with no consequence at all.
Freezie: Allowed. It is hard to get this item since it moves, and when you do get it, it's not even garunteed to hit. If it does, I don't find it too unbalancing, honestly.
Green Shell: Allowed. It is a simple throwing item, and the reflection doesn't happen too often.
Homerun Bat: Disallowed. With some of the items we have, such as the Pitfall, the opponent can hardly do anything while you bat them into oblivion. It's not a risk I'm going to take.
Poke Ball: Disallowed, for much the same reason as the Assist Trophy.
Super Scope: Allowed. There really isn't any reason not to allow this. It's rapid fire, but it's dodgable and doesn't do much damage and the charge is easily dodged. _________________ This space for rent.
I agree with Bloody, except for the Freezie. In my opinion, it should be banned because it's basically a knockout if the enemy has ~60 or more percent (just a rough estimate). If the opponent survives the ice, a smash can be charged up and unleashed when the character is freed.
It's not a big deal if we do allow Freezies in the tournaments. It's not as gamechanging as other things like the Dragoon.
Last edited by Heroic Monkey on Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:07 pm; edited 1 time in total
Im gonna make my answer simple. I say, everything is allowed. Every item, stage, character. If Sakurai felt they deserve to be in Brawl, who are we to judge? Golden Hammer. Yes its strong. But why is that unfair? It can backfire, and everyone has a chance of getting it, and everyone can run away from it. I think that everything should be fair game, except C sticking, since that ruins the game.
I play with all items and stages on when I'm playing normally, and it's a lot of fun. However, if we are playing a tournament the battle should be mostly skill-based, which is why we are filtering out the items that go against that.
dragonfire wrote:
I think that everything should be fair game, except C sticking, since that ruins the game.
I think that everything should be fair game, except C sticking, since that ruins the game.
How does C-sticking ruin the game?
Better yet how would you moniter it? The game is made that if you use the easy way it won't always help. C-stick is weaker then charging the smash, and if you use one move over and over again it gets weaker.
As for the items and stages they should be limited in tournaments. Then it's about skill.
Im gonna make my answer simple. I say, everything is allowed. Every item, stage, character. If Sakurai felt they deserve to be in Brawl, who are we to judge? Golden Hammer. Yes its strong. But why is that unfair? It can backfire, and everyone has a chance of getting it, and everyone can run away from it. I think that everything should be fair game, except C sticking, since that ruins the game.
Anything that takes the focus off of fighting shouldn't be allowed in a fighting tournament. Golden Hammer, for example, removes the focus in multiple ways - A) the rush to grab it, B) running away from someone, and C) running away from others if it turns out to be squeaky.
See what I mean? If someone grabs a Golden Hammer, the match is no longer about fighting, it's about running away from the guy with the Golden Hammer.
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